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Jared Flinn [00:00:28]:
Hey, guys. Jared Flynn with the Bulk Loads podcast. Got Larry Hurt with me. How's it going? Yeah. Tyler is on vacay this week, resting up. So Larry's agreed to come on to the podcast.
Larry Hurt [00:00:42]:
Oh, yeah.
Jared Flinn [00:00:42]:
And, it's been a while. I think you're getting a you're getting a little jealous that, I had Tanner on a couple times.
Larry Hurt [00:00:48]:
You know, it hurt the ego a little bit to see all those guys in here, but I've been missing it. So I'm glad to be back.
Jared Flinn [00:00:53]:
Yeah. So a couple things, I wanted to I was actually out the week before.
Spencer Boyd [00:00:57]:
If
Jared Flinn [00:00:57]:
you noticed, I wasn't on the intro, outro, but wanted Joe to throw up this picture of my family. We went to family camp down in Branson, Missouri, Cannekuk, if you ever heard of them. And, it's something this is our 4th year going to family camp, and it was just we had a blast. It's one of those times where, you know, it's a vacation, but, man, we come back so refreshed Yeah. As a family. So I send this out to you all just I I like sharing photos, but also an encouragement, to spend time with your family and invest in things like this Yeah. That can help kind of build your family up. Sometimes vacations, we take you back and you need a vacation from the vacation.
Jared Flinn [00:01:34]:
But, yeah, there are I think there's 7 of these camp not Canaccord, but it's like 7 kinda Christian based family camps in the US. So the biggest highlight? For me, the biggest highlight was just time with my wife. We had chapel time every day from it was, like, from 9:30 till about 11 ish, and we had a speaker there all week, but just really getting to sit and have no interruptions Yeah. For 2 hours every day. And, it was a week where my wife didn't have to cook, clean, and it just you don't realize those little simple things when you take them off, like, how refreshed you can be.
Larry Hurt [00:02:09]:
Yeah. Sounds great.
Jared Flinn [00:02:10]:
And then there's college kids that work at the campus and pour into our kids. And that's another big one that they get to see these kids that are 5, 10 years ahead of them and kind of look up and and see, how inspirational they can be.
Larry Hurt [00:02:23]:
A good mix of fun, but also relaxation too.
Jared Flinn [00:02:26]:
Yeah. Yeah. That's good. So, anyhoo, we always do a truck feature, and we'll pull that one up now. This one is Daryl Rathman with Tri State Commodities. Many of you all know Tri State Commodities. They've been on our podcast, and, Joe has done several videos. But, yeah, this is a cool one based, they're out at Greeley, Colorado, but this picture was taken in Independence, California, which a lot of people don't realize California has a lot of mountains.
Jared Flinn [00:02:50]:
Yeah. And, this is just a cool backdrop photo.
Larry Hurt [00:02:53]:
Yeah. It's a great backdrop and the classic truck, and Tri State's been around a long time, so it's a good pick.
Jared Flinn [00:02:58]:
Yeah. Well, before we get into this podcast, I know you're waiting to hear that. I wanted to bring specifically, I asked Larry to come on because one thing we are continuing to hear, and we're not gonna go down a rabbit hole here, are insurance rates continue to go up. Actually, I was just at the state fair this last week. One of the ladies there, her son is a member on our, podcast or excuse me, member on bulk loads. And she mentioned that he got his renewal in specifically on work comp, and it was I forget how much more, but he basically decided they can't move forward and shut his trucking business down. Yeah.
Larry Hurt [00:03:31]:
That's great.
Jared Flinn [00:03:32]:
And first off, I was like, I wish you would've called us and, you know, gave us a shot and look at this. But can you just explain what's going on right now?
Larry Hurt [00:03:38]:
Yeah. No. Absolutely. So the work comp surprises me. I'll be honest. You know, work comp is a line of business right now that is actually very aggressive. So a lot of insurance markets have pulled out of trucking, tightened capacity, given rate increases, same with the property market, a lot of losses over the last couple years. Work comp, we see actually more declines on work comp rates than we do increases.
Larry Hurt [00:04:03]:
So, not sure specifically what happened there, but that you know, right now, all of our markets are calling us saying, hey. Send us work comp business. So work comp is actually really steady. It's been a profitable line of business for insurance companies, and they want work comp business. So, that's good for carriers because if you are, coming up for renewal on your work comp, you should be asking your agent, hey. I've been hearing that it's going down or are there other options that are more affordable or can I get a few options maybe compared to my current?
Jared Flinn [00:04:33]:
I guess not all companies are this way, but if you're a trucker right now, you're you know, your renewal's coming up. It's coming in the pipe. It's your month or couple months out, you know, instead of waiting and getting that, you know, that renewal, that sticker shock, what can you be doing now just to prepare, at least know what's going on?
Larry Hurt [00:04:52]:
Yeah. That's a great question. I mean, the insurance renewal, it starts right after you sign for coverage for your current year. I mean, that that insurance carrier, all the markets, they're looking at a a wide scope of what you do. So I I we see a lot of motor carriers that don't plan well for their renewal, and it's kind of that we call it Hopium. Right? You live on Hopium. You hope you get a good rate. You hope you get a flat renewal.
Larry Hurt [00:05:16]:
Have no idea. But everything leading up to the renewal, you're you're not focused on. And so and and we do it too. I mean, it's it's easy to get blindsided in a business because you have so many different obstacles that you overcome every single day. But the message really needs to be after you sign on your renewal, that's when your next renewal starts. Right? You really have 12 months to do the best in class practices that gets you a a a better renewal or a more promising renewal come 12 months later when you come up for renewal. So it's it it it it has to start as soon as you get your your renewal. It's just a 12 month process, and there's certain things that you can do or implement.
Larry Hurt [00:05:55]:
But the carriers that are waiting and hoping, it's not a good strategy. You gotta you gotta get after it. You gotta figure out what's on your cab report, where are the issues that we need to address. Do we have certain trucks that are consistently getting cab violations? You know, maybe we need to evaluate that truck. Maybe it's time to do something different with it. But that all, you know, that plays out over the course of a year. It's not just 2 months before renewal. I'm gonna go shop every single market and hope that I get the best rate.
Larry Hurt [00:06:21]:
It's just not a efficient game right now because of the way the market is.
Jared Flinn [00:06:25]:
So if somebody wants to be proactive right now, they don't wanna do the hopium and just, you know, hope and pray that things are gonna be good. They can reach out to us right now. They can reach out to you Yeah. And kinda start the process.
Larry Hurt [00:06:36]:
Yeah. We do it every day, and it's, you know, we
Jared Flinn [00:06:37]:
don't Not necessarily for us to win the business, but just to let you know where
Larry Hurt [00:06:40]:
you're at. The easiest way to the easiest thing you can do today is ask your agent or ask us to run a CAB report and start to understand why insurance carriers either think that you're a favorable risk to insure or you're not. And if you're not, you should expect a premium increase. You know, I I got this and this is just something that I wanted to print out. This is one of our partners. It's AmWinds. They do tons and tons of business, in the trucking space. They see thousands of accounts every single year and this is what they said, kind of market update is non fleet accounts, so less than 10 units, are experiencing significant rate increases, averaging 5% or higher with some areas such as Southeast Texas, California seeing hikes exceeding 25%.
Larry Hurt [00:07:28]:
So if you're if you're an owner operator or you're less than 10 units, you should understand that the market's probably gonna take an increase.
Jared Flinn [00:07:36]:
So you should almost be prepared that, you know, 25%. It may go up to 20 go up by 25% even if you have no claims. I would be yeah.
Larry Hurt [00:07:44]:
I would be saying, okay. I need to budget 10% rate increase if I've had a good year. And that way, if you get a flat renewal or if you're able to change carriers and get a rate decrease, you know, that's bonus money. Yeah. But on a budgeting standpoint, you should be budgeting 10%. And the other thing is, is you can get out in front of this, Get your agent to run a cab report and tell let them list all the violations and and maybe there's some reoccurring violations that are happening, and you can talk to a maintenance or a safety director or find a resource, and we can be that resource if you want us to, but just have a plan. Okay? I gotta address these three issues 90 days before my renewal because I know my under the underwriter is gonna be asking about it.
Jared Flinn [00:08:24]:
Okay. Cool. Well, great advice, man. Thank you for sharing that. So not so much fun stuff we wanna talk about, but now we wanna talk about the fun stuff, which is NASCAR and racing. Are you a are you a fan?
Larry Hurt [00:08:35]:
Oh, yeah.
Jared Flinn [00:08:36]:
Okay. I didn't know we we talk a little bit about at the office, but, man, we know that motorsports and trucking go hand in hand, and specifically racing Oh, yeah. NASCAR. We know that a huge amount of our listeners and members are having NASCAR fans, but just in all types of motorsports. We sponsor a lot of motorsports as well. So today's podcast, I'm gonna bring on Spencer Boyd. He's a Missouri boy up out of the Saint Louis area. And, believe it or not, Spencer had actually reached out to us through our social media, saw that we were moving and and saw some clips of us and asked if we could sponsor one of his races.
Jared Flinn [00:09:14]:
And, I was actually, like, insurance. I was sticker shocked when he told me how much the sponsorship was for just one spot on I think it was, like, on the fin of something, and I was like, man, we're not there yet. Maybe one day or we hope to be. But we got to talk and I said, hey. I'd love to bring you on my show. We have so many fans, so many of our, audiences that are fans of NASCAR, have kids in racing, run race, you know, race cars and all that. And so Spencer came on. And, I'll say this, like, I did not expect the things that he was gonna say.
Jared Flinn [00:09:45]:
And we're not gonna give it away, but, like, this was such good business advice.
Larry Hurt [00:09:50]:
Yeah.
Jared Flinn [00:09:50]:
And you gotta realize he's built this race team from the ground up. And, you know, one race costs $50,000. And this is the truck series. This isn't like the NASCAR. Like but one he's gotta race $50,000 every weekend to get into that race. That's what it's gonna take. So he spends an incredible amount of time marketing his business, advertising, getting those Yeah. Sponsorship dollars on there, and you're gonna learn a lot from that.
Jared Flinn [00:10:15]:
So
Larry Hurt [00:10:16]:
Well, even just him reaching out to you. Yeah. I mean, that how rare is that? Yeah. Oh, that's super cool. But, yeah, you never think of that the the sports industry as being business necessarily. Yeah.
Jared Flinn [00:10:25]:
And, you know, he spends an incredible amount of time in the car, but just as much, he spends an incredible amount of time talking with businesses, entrepreneurs to get out there and get the sponsorships to get traffic. So
Larry Hurt [00:10:37]:
Cool.
Jared Flinn [00:10:38]:
Well, awesome. Well, what does we'll talk about this a little bit more in the outro. But with that said, here is my conversation with NASCAR driver, Spencer Boyd. Hey, Spencer. Thanks for coming on.
Spencer Boyd [00:10:49]:
Yeah. Excited to finally be here.
Jared Flinn [00:10:51]:
Yeah. I I I'll tell you, man. I'm super excited about this show. I think number 1, it's not just a traditional kind of bulk loads business lecture podcast, but this is gonna be something I think a lot of people are gonna tune in just because it excites them, specifically talking about NASCAR and motor racing. So, man, again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for for coming on.
Spencer Boyd [00:11:12]:
Yeah. Excited to be here. Thank you.
Jared Flinn [00:11:14]:
Yeah. Just for some people, I'm I'm sure probably a lot know your name, but man, give us just a quick little overview of kind of where you are kind of in your stage of life.
Spencer Boyd [00:11:25]:
Yeah. I'm NASCAR driver, Spencer Boyd, race in the NASCAR camping world or craftsman. Now you caught me craftsman truck series, and also own Freedom Racing Enterprises. So, recently started my own NASCAR team.
Jared Flinn [00:11:40]:
And you're homegrown Missouri boy. Right?
Spencer Boyd [00:11:43]:
I am. Grew up just outside of St. Louis. All my family's back there, so Midwest guy for sure.
Jared Flinn [00:11:50]:
That's awesome. Well, I wanna really kind of peel back on you and and kind of go back to the beginning, because I think that's where, you know, we have on bulk loads, you know, 7,000 members, but, a lot of those, when we go to visit them, I mean, small town America, they have sons and daughters that are in a motor racing. We've actually, we we we're proud that we actually get to sponsor or become a small sponsor on some of these kids. We get to put our name on the side, which honestly, we do it more for them than for us. We don't really care about the advertisements, but, like, I just always think, man, those kids to have a name of a business or whatever on the side just means so much. So we I know it's near and dear to our family, but I I'm sure you probably started off the same way. But, yeah, talk about kind of where all that started from.
Spencer Boyd [00:12:37]:
Yeah. Growing up just outside of Saint Louis, you know, in school, everybody wanted to be a baseball player. And I played all the stick and ball sports like everybody and and enjoyed it. But my dad was big into racing as far as a fan. You know, I started racing dirt bikes at 4 years old, go karts at 5 and being an only child, they kind of like let me get into things pretty early. I look back now, I'm 29. I'm like, man, you have me racing dirt bikes that young? But, a lot of fun, fell in love with it. I love the speed.
Spencer Boyd [00:13:12]:
I love racing because I now it's such a team sport. There's so many people that get me to and from the racetrack and and help me compete. But as a kid, it was awesome to go out there, you know, hey, I'm 5th and practice. Okay? Like, whatever I needed to do to become a better go kart racer, it fell on me. It wasn't necessarily like, oh, Johnny dropped the ball and that's why we lost the game. Right? I really love the idea of if I can improve on myself, then make my craft better and then ultimately win trophies. And at a young age, that's that's what it was all about was going fast and bringing trophies up.
Jared Flinn [00:13:51]:
And talk about kind of the first racing that you did. Was that were you in a go kart? I think maybe I saw somewhere. Did you do even dirt bike or motocross or was it all
Spencer Boyd [00:14:00]:
Yeah. So I did dirt bikes all over Missouri for a couple years and kinda had a transition of of doing dirt bikes and go karts. And kids were breaking their arms on dirt bikes, and my mom was like, ah, the go kart's a lot safer. And I was pretty average on a dirt bike. And in the go kart, we just had instant success of of winning races. So, one big dirt track in Missouri is I 55. Peabody, Missouri, real world class dirt track. Well, they had a asphalt go kart track, like, at the bottom of the property.
Spencer Boyd [00:14:34]:
So that's where I started racing go karts, fell in love with it. And then over time, you know, just started traveling throughout the Midwest. And next thing you know, we were all over the country, racing for national championships, and it was a family deal. Look back at it, being an only child, it was it was my mom and dad going down the road. We were racing 30 to 35 weekends a year from age 7, 8 on. So I spent my whole life traveling, racing cars, and facing that dream and always wanting to be a NASCAR driver. From an early age, I I pretty much knew, like, NASCAR is where I would wanna be. A lot of guys racing go karts, guys and girls are are looking at NASCAR, IndyCar, is it a opportunity to go into, you know, World Outlaw, dirt track racing? So go karts are really like the foundation of any motorsport, and I think we all can relate whatever direction you go.
Spencer Boyd [00:15:31]:
Everyone started at 5 or 6 years old racing go karts, and I still have a go kart to this day. I mean, I have a passion for it for sure.
Jared Flinn [00:15:40]:
That's awesome. You mentioned your dad was into it, and, obviously, that has to be probably the most amount of influence that really casted you into doing racing, but really talk about that. What was some of that advice or wisdom or really encouragement, man, that your dad spoke over you to be a race car driver?
Spencer Boyd [00:16:02]:
Well, my dad came from a family of racing fans and, never raced as a kid. But he was late twenties, got a go kart, and basically raced for a year before I was born. And then once I was born, my mom was like, you're done racing go karts, can't get hurt, can't do that, you know, we gotta get now. So I think he was he had that passion, so he's really eager to, you know, get to the racetrack and get his son racing and and give me those opportunities. And after a couple years of racing local, it turned into, well, let's see how you stacked up, you know, against these guys. And and like I said, we we had some pretty instant success. My dad was working on the go kart engineering background, so he looked, you know, tinkering on it. But I think the biggest thing is those lessons learned early on.
Spencer Boyd [00:16:57]:
My dad is the artist worker I know. Him and my mom sacrificed everything to to put me in position to make it to NASCAR. I think it's pretty unspoken, but relatively known that making it in NASCAR or any motorsports is really expensive and, it's definitely risky, as far as the guys that actually make it. So, my dad always lived by hard work pays, HWP. He posted on his Facebook every day. That's that's his I love that. For sure. So early on, it was, hey, Spencer, you know, you wanna win races? Hard work pays.
Spencer Boyd [00:17:38]:
You gotta practice. We gotta test. You gotta think about this all the time. And they gave me a lot of opportunities to to get better, whether it was like getting a racing simulator or going on a Wednesday night to just go practice for a couple hours at the go kart track. So, it was all hands on deck at a pretty early age.
Jared Flinn [00:17:59]:
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Jared Flinn [00:18:37]:
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Jared Flinn [00:19:07]:
You said this just a little bit ago, and this it was gonna be my next question, so it's just perfect. Like, man, out of all sports, like, yeah, you can play baseball and football and all that. And, yeah, there's some gear and some travel and hotels. But, like, man, when you're in motocross, the expense or investment is just tremendous. I mean, to get into these races, number 1, but then to have the the equipment, the cars, the tie I mean, going through that, and it seems like, you know, every week, you're rebuilding the car. You're doing something else. I mean, the money I mean, just there's a lot of expenses. So, man, it was an incredible expense for your family.
Jared Flinn [00:19:42]:
I will work in investment. You can really look at that way. But but, yeah, talk about that because that's one thing I think, when I go around and visit some of our clients on bulk loads, and they have these cars, I mean, I've said some were just simple little go karts, you know, they put on a back of a trailer to some end. You know, there's one customer we have in Wichita. I mean, he's got a semi trailer, you know, covered trailer with the name on it. I mean, it's got living quarters inside of it. I don't I don't even know how much money invested into that, but it's again, there's just there's a lot tied up in that for the hopes of, hopefully, I guess, maybe winning that race or making it to the next, you know,
Spencer Boyd [00:20:19]:
series. Yeah. I I think the sky is the limit. Right? There's so many ways to go about it when it comes to racing. You know, you have guys that are are doing everything they can, and they don't have the nicest car, and they don't have the nicest trailer. And, they're just trying to get to the racetrack because they have a love for it, and and there's nothing wrong with that. They they may not even be, you know, have the aspirations of making it a full time job. Then you got the guys that are all in.
Spencer Boyd [00:20:46]:
Right? Money is no object. They're spending everything they can. And, you know, I think there's a pretty wide range when it comes to the families that I grew up racing go karts around. I mean, like you said, go karts alone at 7, 8, 9 years old isn't cheap. You know, traveling 35, tens a year is relatively expensive. So when you look at that, you had the families that their parents owned companies and this was like a write off and it was a little easier for them to do. And then my parents, you know, were very middle class, blue collar workers and they were spending everything they could to do it, which also, at an early age, made me appreciate it pretty quick. I learned the value of a dollar pretty quick and I saw how my dad, my dad got really creative when it came to, you know, how to fund it, how to go to the racetrack, and, you know, hey.
Spencer Boyd [00:21:43]:
We're gonna test at these tracks because maybe it's not, you know, it's practice. It's not the track that we're gonna race at for a national event, but at least you're in the seat and it's affordable for us to practice an hour away versus show up 2 weeks early for a national event in Vegas. Right? Like, we just we didn't have the means to do it to that degree. But I look back, I'm like, man, you know, the fact that you put the time in and the effort, and the most expensive part is probably the trap. Right? Yeah. When 30 weekends a year, that's a big part of it. So now that I'm 29 and own a race team and I, you know, book and travel for this whole crew and we're up and down the road every weekend, doing the NASCAR deal, you start to realize what travel really costs.
Jared Flinn [00:22:31]:
Yeah.
Spencer Boyd [00:22:31]:
It's like, so really appreciative for that. But, my parents, they go to probably, you know, a third or half of my my NASCAR races now, and they still work jobs. And, it's definitely a family affair.
Jared Flinn [00:22:46]:
I think one of the biggest questions a lot of people are wondering at least I wanna know, though, like, man, when you were growing up through there, doing the racing, go karts, all that, though, when was that maybe pivotal moment that you knew or your dad knew that, like, hey. I think I think I we got something here. I think we we have what it takes to really make it. And maybe there wasn't just that defining moment, but, like, could you describe, like, those times where it's like, man, I think we have, you know, the ability or the time or the talent to really get all the way up into the NASCAR circuit.
Spencer Boyd [00:23:22]:
Yeah. I was probably 12 years old and had 5 or 6 regional championships and a couple national championships at that point, go kart racing, and you're having those conversations. I'm at that time, still lived in Saint Louis. I was watching kind of the next tier of, hey. A lot of these drivers are going to Legend Car Race, and it's on TV. And it's at Charlotte Motor Speedway, and they race at Texas Motor Speedway on the little quarter mile oval on the front stretch, and they do it at Iowa Speedway. And I'm like, dad, you know, I wanna race legend cars. I wanna take it to the next level.
Spencer Boyd [00:24:03]:
And at that time, you had to be 14 years old to race legend cars and here I am 12. I'm like, we've done everything, dad. We're the best in the world, you know, like, you got all this confidence and, I'm sure they thought it was cute at the time. Right? But talked them into it. Obviously, my parents wanted to, you know, they wanted to keep progressing and traveling and seeing where we could stack up. But I would say that 12 year old age is when we realized, okay, what's the next level? What's it gonna take? And then where do you need to be? And quickly realized the Carolinas, Southeast, that's where if you wanna go NASCAR racing, that's where you go. Where the teams are, that's where the big teams are kinda paying attention. So that's when things started to get tricky.
Spencer Boyd [00:24:51]:
Right? At that point, you're talking about leaving jobs, leaving family, moving. It's not the easiest decision. And at that time, it was like, 06, 07, we started having these conversations. And then boom, recession hits. And it's like, okay, you know, what, what do we do? And my parents were very comfortable at their jobs and stable and knew what kind of money that they wanted to spend every year on racing. And I think that was the first time that I realized, hey, we're about to get uncomfortable. Right? If we do this, this is gonna be a big life change. And I think what that taught me is you have to go with your gut.
Spencer Boyd [00:25:36]:
You have to take, my dad likes to call it calculated risk. And I think there's a lot to be said for that, whether it's business related, your life or chasing a dream that might seem unobtainable, right?
Jared Flinn [00:25:50]:
Yeah.
Spencer Boyd [00:25:50]:
So through that, it took about a year and a half for us to sell our house. Parents said, you know what we're gonna do. Yeah. We don't wanna look back and say that we didn't take that chance and what if? And, you know, you're kicking things around like, you know, I wanna be the next Jimmy John's. Right? So you Yeah. And your your parents think you can do it. You feel invincible. So we ultimately moved to to North Carolina when I was 14.
Spencer Boyd [00:26:17]:
It was 2,009, 2010. Moved out there, here, started racing legend cars. And at that time, you're racing, yep, You don't realize it, but William Byron, yep. Ben Rhodes. Right? Ty Majeski. All these names that are pretty much household names now in NASCAR. But a lot of these kids came with, like, major backing. You know, big family dollars, really not hitting any corners.
Jared Flinn [00:26:51]:
Yeah. I wanna interrupt you real quick because that's something I've noticed in you know, I became a NASCAR fan probably 12 years ago, and there's a lot of generational, drivers. You know? The the I mean, even now grandpa was driver, dad's driver. So, like, man, there's these legacy drivers, so there's just a lot of, obviously, support, you know, and resources for these drivers to really get versus someone like you coming up fresh out of the ranks. You know?
Spencer Boyd [00:27:18]:
Well, you look at you consider the top three levels of NASCAR kinda like making it. Right? Truck, Xfinity, and Cup. I think it's a a 128 spots a weekend to be racing on TV with NASCAR and and call it making a living. That's not a lot of spots.
Jared Flinn [00:27:37]:
Yeah.
Spencer Boyd [00:27:38]:
And there's a lot of people double dipping. You know, cup guys race an Xfinity truck. So you started looking at it and you're like, okay. Wow. You know, there's a 120 of us, doing this. So it's very tough to get in. Like you said, there's a lot of, you know, hey. My my dad raced or my grandpa raced or, was a long time sponsor.
Spencer Boyd [00:28:00]:
Now the grandkid of the sponsor is racing. So, spots start getting filled pretty quick. And I think at 12, 14, 16 years old, that doesn't even, like, cross your mind. I it didn't for me. Like, the idea of, hey, I may not make it, didn't cross my mind till I was 18. And I think that's when the real struggle came out of, okay, graduated high school. What's next? Right? Because all your buddies are moving off to college and got this idea of, you know, I wanna be a doctor. I'm gonna be an accountant.
Spencer Boyd [00:28:38]:
And I'm like, I mean, hey. I graduated high school. I got that done, you know, and and we're winning races. I was racing late models in Hickory, North Carolina, Myrtle Beach, running really heavily just in the Carolinas. We didn't have the funding, didn't have the sponsorship to really do late model racing on a national level, but I knew, hey, this is what we can do. And racing in the Carolinas, even if I don't race in Florida or, you know, New York, if I win these races, we'll get noticed. So you started being really calculated on these are the races that we need to run. This is the area.
Spencer Boyd [00:29:20]:
And we took that really serious. At that point in time, I basically realized, okay, late models, the next step is ARCA or truck racing.
Jared Flinn [00:29:37]:
Mhmm.
Spencer Boyd [00:29:38]:
What's the approval process look like? So there's a lot of that behind the scenes that people don't talk about. It's really not like promoted. Yeah. But you start talking to the right people and figuring out, okay, well, you have to run 10 ARCA races to become a truck series driver and all this. Well, you start looking at it. Well, instead of racing late models for 25100 to $5,000 a weekend, you know, actual cost, to go run a truck race, it's gonna be $50,000 with the smallest team or an ARCA race is gonna be $30,000 So that's when the reality of money hit, about that 18 to 20 year old range of, okay, I'm gonna go to community college. I think I need to get a degree in marketing, and I probably need to get a real job because I can't just race and sit on my parents' couch. Right? So had a lot of those uncomfortable conversations with my parents to say, I don't wanna go to a 4 year college.
Spencer Boyd [00:30:39]:
And now all of a sudden these decisions become really, like, this is real. This is gonna affect me 10 years from now. If I go to community college, is that gonna be different than going to a 4 year? My backup plan was always to be a heart surgeon. So if I prolong going to college, what does this do for me down the road? And, I think you look at that life, business, racing, every action has a reaction. So you have to be calculated about it and ultimately made the decision, hey, I'm gonna go to community college, I'm gonna sell cars at the car dealership my dad's at, I'm gonna race late models, and I'm gonna give it till I'm 21. So once I'm 21, if I haven't made a NASCAR start, I'm gonna wipe my hands clean, move off to college, and, do the big boy deal and quit chasing this pipe dream. And that's what's in your mind. You know, you're like, is this really just a dream or what I once thought was really possible.
Spencer Boyd [00:31:48]:
I'm finding out this window is getting really closed.
Jared Flinn [00:31:52]:
It's almost it's super emotional when you think about it. Like, you're like, is this is this a dream or is this a it's something that can be a reality. Yeah. And, I mean, even at 20 I mean, that's a that's a lot of pressure at that age to really realize, like, it's kind of a defining moment in your life of, like, I can go down this path, or I could go down this path, and, really, what what path is God leading me on, and he wants to be. But and talk about I didn't mean to interrupt you there, but, man, this is really good. Your dad, though, like, I have to know, like because I'm thinking from you know, my son's 12, and if we're not in that but, like, if he's coming to me and wanting to do this, like, how do I respond to him, though? What like, what was your dad saying kind of at those pivotal moments?
Spencer Boyd [00:32:36]:
Yeah, man. Dad's been a rock. Right? I mean, he he's always been there. And at that time, when I kinda, like, put the plan out, I'm like, hey. You know, they gave me a lot of freedom. We we drove for the teams that I wanted to drive for. We went to the tracks that I thought we needed to go to. They they gave me a lot of freedom when it came to, like, if you think you can make it and this is the path that you see and these are your I was listening to people and my dad felt like I was listening to the right people.
Spencer Boyd [00:33:04]:
But he's like, look, put this timetable out there. Mom and I are gonna do everything we can to help you. And just know that you're giving it a 100%, we're giving it a 100%. If it don't work out, it don't work out. But there's nothing wrong with putting a timetable of because I think that was the most stressful conversation of like, dad, if I don't make it in NASCAR by 21, I have to cut this off. And you're looking at it like, man, that took a lot to say because my parents have invested all this, moved all the way to North Carolina. And he's like one thing he reiterated, and my mom did as well, was like, hey, at no point will this not be worth it. We'll never regret what we did.
Spencer Boyd [00:33:51]:
We're never gonna be
Jared Flinn [00:33:52]:
Probably for what happens.
Spencer Boyd [00:33:54]:
Regardless, if you make it, it's meant to be. God willing, this is how it's gonna go down. You just have to keep giving it a 110%. And, if you meet that timetable, then great. But we respect your your decision of what you think is the right way to go about it. And my dad's always like, man, hard work pays, like it's gonna pay off. And he was that super positive of wasn't like pipe dream status of like, man, it's bound to happen. You're definitely gonna do it.
Spencer Boyd [00:34:24]:
It was more of that positiveness of, hey, if it's meant to be, it will. But look at all these doors that have opened. Look at all these people you've met. Like, all this is supposed to happen. And if you don't make it in racing, these connections are gonna set you up for life. You're
Jared Flinn [00:34:42]:
Oh, yeah.
Spencer Boyd [00:34:42]:
They're gonna work out. So that I always felt like I had a solid backup plan, and I was actually selling cars with my dad. My dad, number 1 Dodge salesman in the country, hard worker, like I said. He had a career change when we moved to North Carolina, started selling cars, and started selling cars for Hendrick Automotive Group. So anybody racing knows Hendrick.
Jared Flinn [00:35:05]:
Okay.
Spencer Boyd [00:35:05]:
I was selling cars there, and we sold cars at the dealership that shared an entrance with the race shop, Hendrick Motorsports. So I look back at that all the time. I'm like, man, how how did this work out? You know, we met the right people. So my dad sells a car, basically delivers a car, to Jeff Gordon. And my dad's like, I'm not gonna talk anything about racing. They told me, you know, since I'm in racing, I would understand and not get, you know, shell shocked or or whatever. And then next thing you know, car came back, got an oil change and it was just dad. And he started talking to my dad about racing.
Spencer Boyd [00:35:46]:
And then next thing you know, these doors started opening. And it's like, wow. This is meant to be. Like
Jared Flinn [00:35:52]:
Yeah.
Spencer Boyd [00:35:52]:
Move to North Carolina. How do we sell cars here? How do you sell a car to Jeff? And That's this is wild. Right? You look back, and my dad and I, we joke around about all the time. You know, I I eat dinner, my my now fiance and I, every Sunday with my parents, we all live pretty close to each other in Mooresville here. And it always gets brought up of like, man, if you didn't meet that one guy or you didn't get that one sponsor, where would we be? You wanna look at that and appreciate it? And I think whether it's racing or business, there's always those pivotal moments of like this really grew my company or this opened up a network that changed my life, right? That was one of those moments at 20 years old and I made my NASCAR Truck Series debut at 20 years 9 months.
Jared Flinn [00:36:51]:
3 months right before.
Spencer Boyd [00:36:53]:
That's about as tight as you could get. You know?
Jared Flinn [00:36:55]:
Yeah.
Spencer Boyd [00:36:56]:
Free free ones.
Jared Flinn [00:36:58]:
Yeah. There's a lot of questions I have, but I wanna really pull out kind of the the meat and potatoes of this. I think what people wanna know, Talk about now in your career, you know, you're you're not just a driver. You mentioned the marketing aspect of it, like learning marketing, but, like, man, you have sponsorships out there. And you I mean, you talked about a race, $50,000 a weekend that that you gotta make sure and have. But, like, you equal you gotta be a great driver, but you equally gotta be a great marketer. Can you talk about that?
Spencer Boyd [00:37:31]:
Yeah. The the marketing thing, fortunately for me, it was something I enjoyed. Right? I went to school for it. I enjoyed it. Growing up racing, I liked the paint schemes and the companies that were on the cars and the personalities tied to the companies, and I paid attention to it. And then ultimately, it became a necessity. Hey. The only way I'm gonna be able to afford a race is to attract marketing partners and find ways to give an ROI or build value in the relationship.
Spencer Boyd [00:38:02]:
People aren't just gonna give you sponsorship dollars of that value because they like you. They wanna buy into the program and, I've been in NASCAR 10 years now. For the first nine, it was, you know, pay to play. Find companies, get the sponsorship, go to a race team, put the deal together and drive for them and make, and find a way to make a living doing it, right? Then I realized, okay, if I do this for 15 years, what do I have at the end? Or can I start my own team, get some control? I've learned a lot along the way. I've been a risk taker kinda my whole life. And I turned to some long time sponsors and said, hey, let's, you know, collectively get together and start a race team. So that's what led to Freedom Racing Enterprises. A lot of people like the name.
Spencer Boyd [00:38:56]:
76, for 17/76 and a lot of my family and extended family is military, so I've always tried to, you know, give back in that way or show appreciation to to veterans and, you know, frontline workers.
Jared Flinn [00:39:14]:
I could be, this may be wrong thinking, but, like, man, racing every weekend, I I obviously got sponsors, but and there's gotta be an incredible amount of pressure in my mind. I mean, to to win, to get in top spots, you know, obviously, for the sponsorship, keep moving on to the next races. But, like, man, talk about that. I just like man, the the like you know? And it seems like sometimes you get drivers, you get in a hot spree. I mean, you're winning these top races, and then some of these drivers get cold, and it's just like, man, in my mind, it's just crazy. I mean, some of these top drivers I'm just watching like, I've watched a lot on the NASCAR circuit. Like, you know, some of these guys are just red hot, you know, for, you know, Kyle Larson. I mean, just boom.
Jared Flinn [00:39:59]:
And then all of a sudden, they turn off cold. But, Ben, talk about a little I guess, of the psychology of driving. And and I guess maybe answer this too because one time, you know, I was asked I was at a, I was at a truck show, and there was a I can't remember which car was there, NASCAR, but, one of the I don't know if it was the manager or whatever the car. You know, I'd asked him. I was like, what really separates, you know, a good driver from a great driver? And, you know, and and all he did, he looked at me. He goes, you really wanna know? And he and he did this. He goes, it's right between here. You know? But I wanna hear your words.
Jared Flinn [00:40:34]:
So
Spencer Boyd [00:40:34]:
It's so at this level, in NASCAR, I think any high level of motorsports. Right? To get to that level, all the drivers are really good. Right? But then you have your greats, the Kyle Larson's, the the guy Tony Stewart. Right? Like, the guys that could drive anything anywhere and be at a high level. Those are the elites. Right? And then you have guys that have to work really hard to be average, but they're at the top level. Right? They're working really hard to be average at the top level. And then the car and the people have so much to do with it.
Spencer Boyd [00:41:10]:
You know, the race vehicle has to be 5th top. There's so much evolution in finding speed. It's so competitive. There's a lot of money behind it when it comes to R and D development. And then the mental side, right? We just saw Alex Wollman win the other week. He went, you know, 2 years without a win at Hendrick Motorsports, a pop organization. He instantly said, man, I I began to wonder if I could ever do it again. Right? Yeah.
Jared Flinn [00:41:41]:
And Alex Bowman, for example, I mean, because he was red hot in Xfinity. I mean, he won quite a few and then moves up to NASCAR and then takes however long, 2 years to win a win a race.
Spencer Boyd [00:41:52]:
It it's crazy. It it's really tough. And I think on that mental side, you have to know, like, hey. I'm here for a reason. I got to this point by being good. So I can't second guess myself. I think there's a lot of times you wanna, you know, oh, I got in a wreck. You know, that's on me.
Spencer Boyd [00:42:11]:
I lost control of the car. That's on me. You start piling all this on. You know, we're not fast. I'm not I'm not driving great. My restarts aren't good. You know, sped on pit road. It's a team sport, but ultimately, there's 1 guy or 1 girl working the pedals in the steering wheel.
Spencer Boyd [00:42:28]:
Right? So that is a lot of pressure, but you have to kind of step back and look at it and say, okay, I've done this before. It's simple. We're just driving a race car, trying to go as fast as we can. And you have to push yourself constantly because everyone else is. To be fast, you have to be uncomfortable. So how uncomfortable can you be? And the best guys are pushing that limit farther and farther. And you see track records all the time. People are getting faster and faster.
Spencer Boyd [00:43:03]:
So,
Jared Flinn [00:43:05]:
yeah. When you say uncomfortable, what do you mean by that?
Spencer Boyd [00:43:08]:
Yeah. I think what I what I'm trying to say is, like, you're on the edge of wrecking all the time. So when you look at NASCAR 20 years ago, you know, the cars would almost like not even last 500 miles. So the first half of the race, guys would kinda just like run at a, call it 80%, and then halfway through the race start picking it up. And if they drove a 100% the whole race, it would break. Where now technology, the vehicles are so good, the engines last, everything's so perfect that you have to run a 100% from the drop of the green flag to the checkered. So we like to call it qualifying laps. You're gonna run the fastest you can every single lap of the race, and that's very uncomfortable.
Spencer Boyd [00:43:53]:
You, you know, you get out shaking. You know, you're, like, man, after qualifying, you get out. Your hands are shaking. You're like, I can't go any faster. That was terminal velocity. Right? Well, turn around and do that for 200, 300 miles. And then that's that's the difference between good and great. Right? The the folks that can do it lap after lap.
Spencer Boyd [00:44:16]:
And if you're not doing it, it's real easy to get down on yourself. So you have to have that conversation within your head of I've done it before, I can do it, I'm here for a reason, and there's nothing that's gonna happen that I can't control. Ultimately, it does happen. You lose control and you wreck, but you have to have that belief in yourself that there's nothing that it's gonna do that I can't come back from.
Jared Flinn [00:44:41]:
Yeah. I mean, the psychology involved yeah. Here recently, my son, he's got he's taken up golf, and I've been working with him, but, you know, I've learned that too. That's another one of those sports where just the psychology involved, like you hit a bad shot to get back onto it the next hole. And I just use that as analogy, but like, talk about this, Spencer, and we're gonna kinda land the plane a little bit here and and wrap up. But, you know, making yourself uncomfortable, what does that look like during the week? Because I yeah. It's one thing out on, you know, doing labs, practicing, but, like, I imagine there's a lot even off the track that's involved.
Spencer Boyd [00:45:17]:
Yeah. There you know, we're just driving race cars in a circle. Right? How how did it get so complicated? And I I think that's what a lot of us drivers joke about is, like, the amount of work during the week is pretty wild, right? You're watching a lot of film, you're watching a lot of data. So the data is gonna break down, you know, on graphs of how much throttle you're using, how much braking, There's basically GPS to show you where your car is relative to other guys. We race 23 times a year, so a lot of races back to back. So, okay, you get back from a race and you wanna kinda figure out what you did wrong, but, oh, you're trying to get ready for the next week. And this stuff's time consuming. Right? Like, you're gonna watch the in car camera to see what one driver is doing for 2, 3 hours, and then you're gonna watch another in car camera of another driver.
Spencer Boyd [00:46:11]:
Then you're gonna watch the race, which takes a few hours and you're watching to see the transition of, are they running the low line, the high line? What's it look like? Oh, where's the sun at? Do I wanna have a tenant shield? Oh, I need to be working out. I also need to make sure I'm hydrated because I got this race coming up in 3 days. There's so many of those things that add up to where you have to be able to compartmentalize and you have to get in this routine of every Sunday I do this, every Monday I do this, every Tuesday I do this, and you just stay on track. It's really easy to get pushed and pulled up, you know, hey, this sponsor needs to have this call or this sponsor needs you to go to this event. Well, okay, like, I live in North Carolina, we're gonna race in Virginia, but I'm gonna spend 2 days in California. It's dry, it's hot. Sponsors want you to have a couple drinks, right? Like, you're constantly thinking about how will I be the best Spencer Boyd on Friday? And you spend all week trying to line it up.
Jared Flinn [00:47:18]:
Yeah. And, I mean, I I assume some of it can be routine, but, like, yeah, there's a lot of those unknowns working with, you know, again because, again, you're not just racing, but you're, you know, you you're marketing and, you know, got sponsorships and, like yeah. It just seemed like the strain through the week can be, I mean, crazy demanding if you don't really set up, I guess, just, a good struck that. The last thing I'll ask in just talking about NASCAR, because I guess some people kind of view NASCAR as been, you know and NASCAR's made some changes, you know, is recently even trying to get more fans and, you know, stages and stuff like that. But really talk about kinda just in your opinion, you know, maybe what NASCAR needs to keep doing better to keep promoting the sport, to get to keep the fan base up there. It seems like, man, it seems like it's some people can view it as maybe not getting as popular. You know, even in my circle of friends, I would talk about NASCAR. Like, what? Do you want you know? Yeah.
Jared Flinn [00:48:16]:
I'm watching every other sport but but talk about what what what what can the sport do maybe a little bit better to keep people engaged, get more fans involved?
Spencer Boyd [00:48:25]:
I I think what a lot of it has to do with, like, what you're doing right here. We a lot of us drivers when we talk to NASCAR are like, hey. We gotta get the stories out there.
Jared Flinn [00:48:37]:
You
Spencer Boyd [00:48:37]:
know, back in the day, call it 15, 20 years ago, NASCAR did a really good job and the networks did a really good job of getting the stories of how this driver came up or what they do outside of racing, let people into their lives. And it's easy for us to do it. Right? Social media, Instagram, Facebook, you know, I can go on there and talk about what I'm doing all the time, and and I have this core group of fans that are interested in what I'm doing. Sometimes they might be more interested in what I'm not doing. You know? There's always a lot of opinions. But, the networks highlighting drivers, I think, is a big part of it. And then just keeping our identity. Right? Like, I'm a lot different than other drivers.
Spencer Boyd [00:49:20]:
They're a lot different than me. So NASCAR doesn't necessarily need to be football. It doesn't have to be WWE. You know, it has to be NASCAR. And they built a really huge brand in the dotcomboomandthe, you know, 2000s. And people consume media a lot different now. I don't think fans you know, if you're a mid level fan, you're probably not gonna watch the whole race. You you might still love racing and you're gonna catch the highlight reel and see where your favorite driver finished, but you're not locked in.
Spencer Boyd [00:49:53]:
I'm gonna, you know, have nachos and drink beer and watch this race for 3 hours. I think that's changed a lot. And there's so many other sports. I mean, there's a lot of sports that I enjoy watching too. So it's a competitive market when it comes to getting people's attention. But I think keeping that identity and opening up to show there's some really cool drivers, there's a lot of people with a lot of different backgrounds. Look at all the dirt drivers coming up in NASCAR, you know, learning their story of how they made it. I think I woulda liked that even more growing up because as a kid wanting to make it in NASCAR, it's really you know, you're not gonna go on Google and figure out how to make it.
Spencer Boyd [00:50:36]:
Right? But when you hear those stories of how Kyle Larson came up from the West Coast, it it's very odd and very different than most drivers how he made it to the peak of this level and then just jumped to NASCAR, and he's one of the greatest.
Jared Flinn [00:50:51]:
Yeah. Last question for listeners right now on this podcast. These specifically, a lot of owner operators and truck drivers I know that have kids or grandkids in the sport, or maybe they're trying to get to grow their presence a little bit more. Maybe they think they can keep going, maybe do it professionally like you're doing it one day. What what are those last words of encouragement that you would say, to those kids, sons or daughters, or even the father that's got a son or daughter that that he's helping grow through the ranks?
Spencer Boyd [00:51:26]:
Yeah. I think it's extremely possible to to make it in racing. It takes a lot of work, but chasing the dream is 99% of the fun. Right? So you have to go to it. And I think on the marketing side, get uncomfortable as well. You know, put yourself out there, give people a reason to wanna follow you, be true to yourself and allow yourself to be different. Don't feel like you have to replicate somebody else's path, their brand, or what they're about. Be confident in in who you are and what you're trying to accomplish.
Jared Flinn [00:52:02]:
I think, as as we've been doing this podcast, I I usually don't write this much, but, like, you've had, like, these iconic quotes. I'm gonna use probably I'm gonna steal them shamelessly from you. But, man, this is, even though we're talking about NASCAR, man, this is just a sound great business podcast. I mean, you can take these principles and relate them to any facet or business, which I think what makes us really special. And, Spencer Whannen, I can tell, man. You're a sharp guy. I mean, you're talking about being a heart surgeon. You very probably could have been one of those as well.
Jared Flinn [00:52:32]:
But, if we're you listeners right now, if you wanna learn more about Spencer Boyd, we're gonna put Spencer's, link, all the social media pages down in the episode notes of this podcast. So you can drop down there, and you'll find everything you need to know about Spencer to follow him. Spencer, any last words you'd like to say to our audience before we cut out?
Spencer Boyd [00:52:51]:
Hey. I I appreciate the opportunity to be on, and, love the industry you're in. I got my own trailer that I'm about to go load up for Indy now. But stay safe on the road, and, you truckers and everyone involved in that industry keep the world turning. We appreciate it.
Jared Flinn [00:53:08]:
Cool. Thanks, Spencer. God bless you.
Spencer Boyd [00:53:10]:
Awesome. Thank you.
Jared Flinn [00:53:12]:
Larry, I'm probably I'm probably sure you heard my voice, but I really wanted to get, like, what it takes to be a driver. Yeah. And, like and again, because we don't really realize how hard that is, you know, and most people would think that, you know, they're holding on to the steering wheel. I know you got out there that have done this don't realize that.
Larry Hurt [00:53:29]:
Yeah.
Jared Flinn [00:53:30]:
But I love the way Spencer described, like, when you're qualifying for a race to even enter that race, like, you're giving 2 or 3 laps a 100%. And then if you qualify, you gotta go in and do that for 200 laps.
Larry Hurt [00:53:42]:
Yeah. That's crazy.
Jared Flinn [00:53:43]:
And yeah. I mean, he thinks and, actually, I had a guy. I was telling him this story just recently, and he was like, I've done that, Jared. Like, I've been out and done, like, those practice racetracks. And he said, when you do 20 laps, you are shot. Like, I can't imagine the adrenaline Yeah. And just like the physical stress
Larry Hurt [00:53:59]:
on your body because it's it's not just one lap and done. I mean, it's it's a long process.
Jared Flinn [00:54:03]:
And the psychology of it, I can I can relate it a little bit maybe to golf, but, like, man, you make one Yep? Tiny mistake or you whatever, and it costs you a position or a wreck or whatever. Yeah. And, man, you've built all this momentum up and just then to go back next week to the drawing board and do it again. And, that's why I think the sport's just incredible. And, man, hats off to you all out there that do this day in, day out just on the local circuits and then the smaller tracks and regional tracks. Like, man, we know that it is an expense to do out there
Larry Hurt [00:54:34]:
To travel.
Jared Flinn [00:54:34]:
But a thrill and the same effect. So Yeah. Fun to watch. Yeah. So cool. Well, man, appreciate you guys watching for the this episode. As we always do, as we close out of here, a couple things we just wanna make mention of. We always wanna pray for you, and your family, anybody you know out there.
Jared Flinn [00:54:52]:
Even this last week, we had someone on our team, had a family member, a father, stepdad pass away, and, we rallied around and, and are praying for them. But we know that in this world and as as we've brought in our scope, and we know that people are experiencing tragedies, diseases, divorces, man, everything that sometimes makes us feel like this is a hopeless world.
Larry Hurt [00:55:17]:
Yep.
Jared Flinn [00:55:17]:
And we wanna be there, as a life support and prayer. We think that this is not just a business, but this is a ministry, that we get to conduct business through, and we mean that through our hearts. So, man, if you have, something that's troubling you, we would like to gather around and pray for you. You can simply send a prayer request to prayer at bulkloads.com. Reach out to us any way that you can through social media and allow us just to pray for that even if it's something small, and we would be we we feel honored when we're able to do that for our community out there.
Larry Hurt [00:55:48]:
Yeah. That's great.
Jared Flinn [00:55:49]:
So cool. And, Larry, I'll just have you, if you wanna close this out today in prayer.
Larry Hurt [00:55:53]:
Yeah. Let's do it. Dear lord, we just come before you, god, and we just recognize, all the challenges, god, that we face in this life, lord. And we just look to you, god, for guidance, and peace, Lord. We have a lot of noise in this world with our businesses, and our family and our obligations, Lord, and we recognize how hard life is, God. And so we just submit these requests before you, Lord, and we just thank you for the opportunities, that you've given us to serve, God, and and that you've given our clients to go out and provide for their families. We pray that you would bless their businesses, God, that you would be near to them, Lord, and that you would just continue to help us serve well. In Jesus name, amen.
Jared Flinn [00:56:32]:
Amen. Thanks, Larry. As always, we thank you for watching the Bulk Loads podcast. Man, if you know someone that can benefit from this or you know a family member, a kid, niece, nephew, that would love to hear this, maybe it's an inspirational podcast for someone out there that's in the racing world, that's starting out and looking for the next steps, man, we would love for you to share this through your social media or send this to them that they can value from that. We would, consider that an honor and blessing to do. So thank you so much for listening to Volt Clothes podcast. And as always, God bless.
